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#131 - La(Underdog Music 713) & Rod Nice of Bap Notes Music
“Be a homie & let us know what you think”
Stepping into the sonic laboratory of La and Rod Nice feels like boarding the Millennium Falcon—a journey beyond Earth's atmosphere into cosmic consciousness. These two veteran musicians have been crafting their unique brand of hip-hop since 1996, and their latest offering "Underdog Power Cosmic 2: Cosmic Continuum" represents the culmination of decades spent perfecting their craft.
The symbiotic relationship between beatmaker and lyricist drives this project. As Rod explains, "When he's in there with me, it inspires me to go raw, dirty, hard." Meanwhile, La approaches his writing from a perspective that transcends typical hip-hop narratives: "How many songs could be about being from the ghetto? How many songs can be about hard times? How many songs could be about sex or money or anything earthy?" This cosmic perspective infuses every track with philosophical depth rarely found in contemporary music.
Marvel Comics, particularly Silver Surfer, provides much of the conceptual framework. La discovered the "Power Cosmic" through these comics, relating to a character who ventures beyond Earth's problems. This parallel reflects his own journey from street life to academic achievement (the previous album "Underdog's Manifesto" served as his master's thesis) to his current role as a mental health counselor. Throughout our conversation, La weaves together insights on anxiety, time perception, and how cosmic awareness might help listeners navigate their own challenges.
The production process itself mirrors their philosophical approach—fluid, evolutionary, and responsive. Many tracks begin with one beat that transforms completely after lyrics are added. "The beat inspired the rhyme, then the rhyme inspired a different beat," Rod explains. This organic development creates a soundscape that feels both nostalgic and futuristic, rooted in east coast influences while maintaining a uniquely Sacramento perspective.
Whether you're a longtime hip-hop head or simply searching for music with substance, Power Cosmic 2 offers something rare in today's landscape—art that challenges while it entertains, that questions while it affirms. Take a cosmic journey with these underdog pioneers and discover what happens when beats and rhymes transcend earthly limitations.
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All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Welcome back to another episode of the Rectural Podcast. I'm your host, golda Mine. Peace to everybody. You know what I'm saying. Just peace to everybody.
Speaker 1:Man, all right, listen, you in for a treat today. But first I want to say thank you to everybody that's been sharing, tapping in with. You know the episodes of the Rectural Podcast. I told y'all we was back outside and did I disappoint you? Yet we back outside, man, we've been doing our thing for the last couple months. I've been back on it. You know I'm saying and um, we got some dope stuff that's coming for the retro podcast. It's gonna be amazing, man. So I think y'all already saw the logo change. That's gonna be the official logo of the retro podcast. I'm done changing the logo. That's it. It's official, all right. So, with that being said, there's gonna be some merch dropping soon that can, uh, help support the show. I would appreciate y'all's assistance with that. Man, you know, I mean, if you've been rocking with me since for four years, five seasons now, you know I'm saying thank you, thank you, man, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1:But listen, let's get into this intro. Man, I'm honored to welcome a MC, a producer, you know what I'm saying, a visionary that's been building his sound, a unique sound and story through his music. Man, you know somebody that grew up both on the East Coast and the West Coast. You know what I mean. So he's got a perspective that I think y'all need to hear.
Speaker 1:Man, his latest release, underdog Power, cosmics 2, cosmic Continuum, continues the journey of cosmic energy, personal resilience and creative evolution. So we're going to be diving into the meaning, process and impact of this project and, of course, learning more about the mind behind the lyrics and stuff like that. You know what I'm saying. But then also we've got a special guest joining us who's not only a seasoned musician and a producer in his own right, but also played a major role in shaping the sound of Underdog Power, cosmic 2, cosmic Continuum. So we're going to talk about his creative process, his collaboration and his own style and how they mesh together, forming this. You know what I'm saying. Building this inside of the Millennium Falcon. You know what I'm saying. So listen, internetz man, help me welcome the one and only La of Underdog Music. Also, help me welcome Rod Nice back to the show. Rod Nice of Bat Notes Music.
Speaker 3:So we were asked the question what inspired Power Cosmic?
Speaker 4:First, I want Rod to convey kind of like his frequency, because you know he's, he's the sonic side. You know what I'm saying? I'm the, I'm the literal side, right?
Speaker 2:it's a symbiote, yeah, um, it's really very unique, because all the tracks were inspired by Lockham's presence. I kid you not, he will tell you. It's like when he's on the scene and I'm creating, it's just like that's how all that stuff came together. You know, it's just I'm making it right there, boom, and it's like, okay, man, we on the vibe let's keep going. So you know what I'm saying. But really, that whole vibe or expression is just because of his energy. His energy is making me do certain style of beats, you know, and that's where that really came from. It's like some type of like he said some symbiotic energy that we have. We've been creating music since La Ken was in his 20s, you know, since I was in my Actually, yeah, in your 20s.
Speaker 2:I was in my yeah since 96.
Speaker 4:We made our first project in 96.
Speaker 2:It's so old it's on a cassette tape.
Speaker 4:The only copy of it is a cassette tape, but we made it on a 16-track recorder. Yeah, wow.
Speaker 3:It's called Lizard.
Speaker 4:Lounge. Yeah, so with that background, these albums are like comic book issues. That's also where the Power Cos uh connotation comes from, right. So underdog power cosmic one. The beginning was really a follow-up to the album that we had released in 2020, which is underdogs manifesto.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 4:Right, manifesto, yeah, yeah, okay, right. So, in our, in our view, artistically, our pursuit and aim with that project was to do a couple things. It was to address the problems of the planet by 2020 solutions, yeah, and that's what inspired us to call it a manifesto. And that's what inspired us to call it a manifesto at the time. That project is actually my master's degree thesis.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying I'm about to say. You know, you sounded like a professor right now you know so.
Speaker 4:So the album is that's my idea. The underdogs Manifesto is my master's thesis work. Wow, right, I was overambitious. So I also wrote a body of literature titled Underdogs Manifesto. So there's a book component to the album. So the album is an audio book and there's an actual body of literature titled underdogs manifesto. That's quite dense and scientific, right, because I had to present statistic data to present my claims. So, through that process, you know right? So the album we made before underdogs Manifesto was Kudetai, yeah, kudetai, and we made that. We published that in 2009.
Speaker 4:And then I went back to school to finish up, you know, my bachelor's and my master's, and by the time I hit master's, me and Rod was communicating and he was sending me beats to just let me see what he was up to at this point, and I wasn't even really, you know, writing at the time. You know what I'm saying. I was working in a record shop in the basement. Rest in peace, stephen brooks. One of the record stores in the sacramento was called brooks novelty antiques and records in Old Sacramento. We just buried him in 2023, closed the store in 2022.
Speaker 4:Was here in the city for about 35, 36 years, so it had one of the oldest vinyl collections housed in the city in the basement down there. So I was blessed with the opportunity to work there while I was at junior college, getting my bachelor's and my master's. So I was there about nine years right. So in that time I I told myself when I, when I was in getting my bachelor's degree and when I got that job, I said I'm gonna fall back because I got an npc too. Right, we, we, we all do all of that, we b-boys. So we, we tag, we dabble in a little bit of all the elements. You know what.
Speaker 2:I'm saying the Kudetar album was all made on the MPC-1000.
Speaker 4:Right. And then the follow-up to Kudetar is called Lucky Street Carding. Yeah, right, so the albums tie together like comic book issues. It's very inspired by Marvel and Stan Lee. Long live, right. And you can tell from Silver Surfer. Marvel and Stan Lee. Long live, right, and you can tell from Silver Surfer.
Speaker 4:So you know, all of the creative inspirations over the course of our lifetime we've kind of incorporated in as part of the seasoning and the recipe for how we make these records. You know what I mean? All the way back to 96, right, because even though Kudai Tau didn't come out for like 15, almost 20 years after, in ways, if you listen to lizard lounge sonically, kudetai picks up where it left off, even though it is decades apart between the creation of the two projects. Right, because there's a, there's a formula in a theory that we prescribe to as artists, you know. I mean we from cali, we from the capital of california. So me and rod is few, uh to a few artists in this city who would, if people wanted to label and tag and brand and describe music styles, they'd say that we east coast influence. Why are we from the capital of california rhyming and making beats? Pete rock is, you know very eric being rock image, very pete rock and c ellis right, those are a large professor in there, guru and premier. Long live guru. I mean these were some of our, uh, primary influences and over the course of our creation that's kind of how we one of the factors that you know gravitated us together was our style, right.
Speaker 4:Um, when I was 14, I left sacramento you know what I'm saying and my family's from back east, so I was blessed with the opportunity of growing up in cali and new york as a kid, right. So I've always considered myself to be bi-coastal, because the whole time I was in new york, people in new york was curious about what we was doing at cali, and when I was, people in New York was curious about what we was doing at Cali, and when I was at Cali, everybody was curious about what we was doing in New York. So I always had a different perspective on that Right, and it was always a blending.
Speaker 4:And you know what I mean. I lived in LA. I graduated from high school in LA as well, right? So you know, having those different experiences gave me an appreciation, right, for all of the influence and all of that comes up in our music. So check it out too.
Speaker 2:So, like I grew up here in Sacramento and I grew up in Del Paso Heights, and none of my homeboys that I grew up with likes the music I made.
Speaker 3:They don't.
Speaker 2:They're like man, why you ain't got no? Why you ain't bumping no E-40? Why you ain't doing no Mac Dre types. You know what I'm saying. So I can create that and I have tracks like that and the shit is dope. You know what I'm saying, but what comes out of me just comes out of me. You know, it's not like I purposely try to. I'm going to try to do this. I'm going to try to do that. I just sit down and whatever touches my soul, that's what comes out. You know, like when I heard some of your stuff, I was like he's killing it.
Speaker 4:He's killing it he's the dope, he's playing the bag he gives me ideas.
Speaker 2:Man, yeah, man, to me some people might say we east coast or this coast or that coast. To me it's. To me, it's, it's just music. You know what I mean? It's just music, it's. There's nothing more than that. When people's trying to label it, what we do is just, it's just something that comes out naturally when he, when he comes around and he's like all right, let's just build something next month. I know we three or four songs in and it's tight. You know what I'm saying. We, we have a great, great, not only a great relationship, um, uh, with music, but outside of music too. You know, we know each other's families and all that you know, and it's just too easy to create. With Lockheed, you know, and he's been the message that I can stand on and that you could play for your grandmother, you know, and not be, oh man, he cussing, he talking about ass and cheeks and pimping and hoeing and drugs. He's doing something that's positive but hard, thank you, which is perfect for me, I mean everything coming from you, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Professor, I got it open.
Speaker 3:Good heavens, man Great Scott, we've discovered the fountain of all knowledge of Egypt and the entire world.
Speaker 1:you, this can't be man, what you know what this is?
Speaker 3:What is it, buddha?
Speaker 1:It's the Book of Life, the Book of life In the beginning, when men arrived on Earth, the black gods did leave their spacecraft and they walked and they named the beast of the sea and the animals of the land, heavens. And man in his blackness did walk the earth making medicine. Medicine, they discovered time. These were all black people got down.
Speaker 3:Wait a minute, this ain't. There ain't nothing here about whitey. This is ours. Jack, wait till the brothers hear this. Booner, I'm gonna get this book out of here. Baby, this tells the real team. Check this out, control yourself, control yourself, don't you see? What do you mean, jack? Look at this here. Black people discovered it, started the music and the brain surgery back in the year 3 BC. Yes, of course, of course, boone man, they was getting down. This is it, brother. Everybody gonna know about this. We can change the history. Civilization will be changed. This is gonna be it.
Speaker 4:As nice as our Dr Dre in Sacramento. There's so many layers Not to any fault of your own, bro. The power cosmic is the tip of the iceberg. To like all of the branches to our foundation. You know what I mean. We got like somebody who we might like into an Obi-Wan that don't nobody see Right Like, as the generations progress, less people are aware of, but like key individuals that came from this city, this brother named Will Prince. What's up, will?
Speaker 2:If you hear this shout out to you man, that's my OG right there. That's the one that taught me a lot.
Speaker 4:He's the resident pioneer DJ of Sacramento, california, him and his cat, who's in Harlem, now named Armstead, dj Armstead and in Sacramento, like, historically, some of the foundations of there being parties where we were hearing some of these records being broke right, they were the pioneer resident DJs back in the late 80s I'm talking 86, 87, 88, 88, 89 you know what I'm saying in in this city when it was primarily just the black community at that time participated to time code, right, you had a few mexicans sprinkled in, maybe one or two white kids who was from our neighborhoods, right, or lived where we lived at, but it was not multi-national at that time. You know what I mean. The parties at that time it was just strictly the brothers and sisters. You know they were the original heads. A three-part band Drummer Rob was on the Fender Rhodes. A three-part band, Drummer Rob was on the Fender Road, will was the drummer and shout out to Harley White, who's also a pioneer musician and artist from our city, who's a bassist.
Speaker 4:And these cats were kind of like our Sweetwater. You know that band that made Sade and they were the greatest thing that never happened to hip hop hit away in this city. And if you know who Nate the Great is and shout out to Nate the Great and the Cuff. Or if you know who Chuck Taylor is and shout out to Chuck and FSK on Socialistic or Soul Clap and FTS. Shout out to them like he trained, shout out to train. You know what I'm saying. Some of the belief, all of them, yeah, man of livestock, you know man, who else? Who was, uh, epic in them? When they first started they were called um valerie lj and epic. Shout out to y'all what was the name of their group? Man, I forget the name of their group. Yeah, so you know, these were some of the In the 90s, in the golden era In our city, Some of the resident Original artists, right that came around, these cats as a band, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:And they just so happened to also have ASR-10. So this was in the ASR-10 era, this was the time code, this was when enter the 36 chambers, that's the lizard lounge album, asr-10. Yeah, you know, we use like the likes of RZA were bringing to the world what the ASR-10 could do as a keyboard in production in hip hop, and we had our, our, you know our very own. Well, you know, he mastered as our 10 back then. I mean, you were no joke, neither you know what I'm saying. So you know, we, we, we had a we, we, we built in a bubble. Right, we built in a bubble. At a time sacramento was in a bubble where it was not being over influenced by outer artistic influences. Right, because I go. I graduated from high school in LA. I know what it is to be an emcee in LA, out on Venice Beach freestyling. I remember the good life project blowed in Leimert park. I was in LA at that in that era.
Speaker 4:Right, he's out there with DBc yeah, yeah, I'm saying so I remember what it was to be an mc from that city in the end of the uh, peer pressure of influence. Everybody trying to get with dre, or everybody trying to get with king born. Shout out to king born and evil, right? Uh, in new york, you know what I'm saying, we was in long island, right? So I remember the pressure of everybody trying to get with the bomb squad because we was near roosevelt, everybody trying to get with the bomb squad because we was near Roosevelt, everybody trying to get with this one or that one. It was a pressure of trying to kind of attach yourself to a signature sound. But what I'm getting at is here in Sacramento, even though we got exposed to those influences, we weren't over-influenced by them. And what it did is it kind of allowed us to do what's common in our own uncommon way. And what it did is it kind of allowed us to do what's common in our own uncommon way. And that's something that I've always been proud of about the sector where we come from and the art that we create. Right, because even if you go back to the 90s and you listen to the music from all the artists that we just named, you know what I'm saying You're going to hear some stuff even in 2025 that it sounds authentic and it has quality to it. Outro Music my connections knocking out the lights. In 60 seconds the soul was on bright t on the deckings pilgrimage I ride under the night just like the makings, right. So moving back, fast forward, underdogs, power, cosmic.
Speaker 4:The first one first was inspired by shout out to kaba kamane. First was inspired by shout out to Kaba Kamene, who put on a master's class in African sacred science through looking at the Medu Neta. So the Medu Neta is what we know more commonly as the hieroglyphics on the walls in Egypt, right, but the Medu Netter is actually our ancient ancestral language. Some scholars might argue it's the oldest verbal and written language in our transition into the flesh. But we don't have to go off that rabbit hole right now. And in the process of studying african sacred science through the lands of the medu netter, we came to the inspiration of the cosmic energy. Right, and this was also um us coming off of manifesto.
Speaker 4:So once we looked in Manifesto at the problems of the world through race, class, gender, human rights, probably being the next logical step for humanity and kind of feeling like that was the solution to the world's problems. The perspective went off earth, right. It was boring to talk about anything earthly at that point, right. I mean, how many songs could be about being from the ghetto? How many songs can be about hard times? How many songs could be about sex or money or anything earthy? And for me as a writer, and for me as a writer, that's boring, right, because I'm a sociologist and a Pan-African by actual training, right. So when you look at the Earth's problems from that perspective, really, human rights is the common denominator and once humans finally stop resisting that and flow with it, what we know as inequality in the planet will cease and that's the transitionary phase that we're in in this, what they call the Aquarian Age. So it's cosmic, right. So, applying the solution to the problem, it wasn't going to be too many more songs about, like, my upbringing and being a stick up kid and being from a gang. It wasn't like you know, that's all back there. And then we solved that, right.
Speaker 4:So when we were in the lab and, as Rob described, the symbiosis would inspire a sound or a sonic, then the code of the 713, the code of the resurrection code, the frequency in the form of utterances or words kind of comes out from the beat of Big Daddy Kane. Got in line. He says next the formation of the words that speak. You know what I'm saying. So I always hear big daddy kane voice like when I hear the beat. Next the formation of the words that fit, word, right, the beat calls forth what it said. So so, just like rod saying, like it, it's, it's saying it's 360 degrees, it's yin and yang going on, right, there, right, because I do things with the beat, I disappear with the music. You know what I mean. So that's why we call it Mandalorian music.
Speaker 4:These niggas call me I'm an alien. I'm part of the crew. Our crew is Black Future, but I'm always off-earth type shit with this shit. I'm always in the dark, like I'm always off earth type shit with this shit. I'm always like in the dark, I'm always in the perimeter. You know what I'm saying. I'm never present. I'm the one who's not there. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:And one of the mcs that I learned that from was rakim allah, living in long island. So when I moved to long island when I was 14 years old, one of the first things I set out for was to learn who all the rappers were from that area. You know what I'm saying. And it just so happened that Public Enemy was from there, epmd was from there, rakim was from there, de La Soul was from there, k-solo was from there, right. So these were the rappers. Biz Markie was from there, son of Berserk was from there right, these were the rappers that were in long island. So by the time I transitioned from cali to the east coast, that was that's who we coogee rap, right, like these were. These were who we were getting, getting getting schooled by right.
Speaker 4:Um, so when I started toying with rhyming, I was in that school, right, and it was freestyles and a cypher, right, and it wasn't right in your rhymes. It was like you got to like practice mentally. It's a form of meditation, like right, you got to think in your head, you got to start calibrating your head to be able to say something right and slick right off the top of your head right, that's not wrote. So we learned how to like the rhyme. Writing was influenced by that.
Speaker 4:You see what I'm saying and I feel like that's why, lyrically, when you look at lyrics from a certain year forward, with those kind of cultural traditions in place, it makes the culture richer, right, and that has everything to do with why the level or the or the quality of lyrics from generation to generation is actually stepped down, if you ask my opinion, and my proof of my claim is that's why we exalt uh j cole and kendrick the way that we do, joey Badass the way that we do. I think they're good, but I think they look better in a valley of dry bones. With no disrespect intended. Right, the guy from Chicago who's on TV I can't think of his name right now. He wears the three hat all the time. So I think some of these guys got good songs. But when I think about Rakim, or when I think about Coogee Rapper, big Daddy Kane, chance the Rapper.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there you go Right, respect and shout outs to the brother because he's a positive role model. So there are these things about them in their generation, right, but as Elijah Muhammad in their generation. Right, but as elijah muhammad said, if people are thirsty and you give them a glass of dirty water, they're gonna drink it. Right, but by human nature, if you put a clean glass next to a dirty glass out of curiosity, they're gonna explore the clean glass and the minute that the common sense of the senses is hit with the choice between the two, the body is going to gravitate ultimately, over time, towards the clean water, right. So power cosmic one was the beginning, right. We started kind of like. We manifested that in through the quarantine. We got footage of us with masks up in the lab constructing our album, right, and it also had the energy of the unknown. When we were in quarantine. The world spent a short period in 2020 and 2021 in the unknown. You know, we was hearing stories all in the media about dolphins swimming where they had to swim in, the coyotes walking through cities when nobody was around. We slowly started seeing the cosmos, the Earth retaking its natural environment, right, but then humanity decided to say we want to go back to what we have told ourselves is normal, which which has made a lot of those more natural things subside again. Right. So when it came time to move forward, cosmic Continuum that's why it's the Cosmic Continuum, right? Because now, when you look at the content on the album, we're all over the cosmos. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:One of them songs is me and Rod riding down the street. You know what I'm saying. He drinking on some brown smoking, a split. When we get stopped by the lady cop, you know what I mean, because we doing so, and then I'm challenged by her as a dreadlock. Rasta, you know what I'm saying. Right, or did? You can go to Astra Nova, you know what I'm saying, which is about to be the next video that we release, next visual off the album.
Speaker 1:That one's fire too, but go ahead.
Speaker 4:Thank you. Outro Music 120 lessons. Interstellar travel, galactic to the essence. Travel by night. As it passes across the question. I'm babbling on bright glass beyond the present melanate, a whole long bright upon the sanction caught in the cosmic to continue of dimension. For matter photos, it's absolutely dark matter. So that's what I mean when I say out of the earth. So, like by cosmic continuum, we are in pursuit of bringing you all along into this neutral space that we're blessed with accessing by seeking the unknown.
Speaker 4:A wise man once told me that when we're in the unknown, we're closest to the creator, and that was at a time when unknown gave me great anxiety. And you know, now the planet and cosmos have assigned me to a mental health clinic as a mental health counselor. And post 2020, mental health is a tag word, it's a, it's a buzzword. More and more in our society, right. More and more in our society, right, you know, we see it all throughout the media. More and more talk about how mental health is not just a national pandemic but an international pandemic, a global issue, right? And when we're talking about mental health, we're talking about anxiety, we're talking about depression, we're talking about PTSD, we're talking about feelings of insecurity, fear of the unknown, fear in general, worry, doubt, focusing on what one feels they're lacking, focusing on what one feels they're limited by Right, which a wise man again once told me are the attributes of poverty consciousness, are the attributes of poverty consciousness. So poverty is not measured by dollars and decimals but rather by perspective and attitude. And you know that's where we're at on a planet, globally, it's a common denominator globally and that's the evidence to the fact that we're in a planetary shift. So everything that's going on, you know Trump, the weather, it's all cosmic and we're the underdogs. That's where the David and Goliath theory off of Power Cosmic 1, comes from. The theory is David and Goliliath right, goliath being in babylon, goliath being the matrix it's all synonymous right. Neo david, it's all synonymous right. So you know once that it's all now instead of underdog right.
Speaker 4:So the little dude who's on the moniker for underdog music is the image of a young child soldier from the Congo. And when I was doing my bachelor's work in Pan-African studies, that's when I encountered that photo and in doing, you know, a paperwork research and you know, I was looking at the connection between coltan and all the minerals that come from the congo and in in that I looked extensively at the conditions that people are facing in the congo and the history of the congo, and that image just resonated with you. You know what I'm saying and you know it kind of became a beacon you know what I mean like a driving force for what my music was going to be at that point. Right, and that's the little image, uh, to face the little brother and it's a strong probability that he's not alive anymore because he's a child soldier from the Congo. So my aim was to immortalize him.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying and that's the emphasis of the underdog. You know what I mean. Like we here in America don't nobody in America I don't even care if they're homeless. Don't nobody in America have it as bad as care if they're homeless. Don't nobody in America have it as bad as a child in the convent. And you know what, we'll find somebody who's having it worse than a child in the convent. And you know that's the mental health note for humanity is when you're feeling overwhelmed by your life circumstances. You know, if you choose to look around, you'll find somebody that's having it a lot harder than you and we can choose to take some coping from that. We can choose to take a second breath from that, right, because that's what we're ultimately talking about from day to day, when we're talking about how do we manage anxiety, how do we manage fear? And this conversation is cosmic, connected to combatants navigating the waters To hark and free the people, today known as the Brakes From Assyria controlling the battle around Tekken. We battled to Zep Tempe.
Speaker 4:Dominoes of history erased the mystery and that's exactly why history remains a mystery. Get us with slick trickery and then get in the dickery. A motherfucking century shift coming eventually. Messenger told us. The ship coming eventually. Measure one half mile, multi-dimensionally melanated, dark, strange multiverse. The trilogy underdog manifest. Right, because, as above so below, like create, like him off of cosmic continuum 2, go check it out. Right, that's ultimately what we're talking about.
Speaker 4:And when you look at astrology or astronomy, all it's talking about is that, as as in heaven, so it is on earth, as it says in the bible, as above so below. Often the events on planet earth are heavily impacted by, but not definitive in events in mars. Right, mercury. Right, mercury has dictation over communications. It has dictations over emotions. It has dictations, oh, you know. So how does that play out? Emails, you know everything in our world now is communication by way of the world wide web. So when mercury goes into retrograde, for instance, we notice that we have cell phone and connectivity issues. We also have emotional fluctuations, right as above, so below, and these are the kind of things that scientists like astronomy and astrology point out for humanity, kind of as a guidepost or a map like heads up. You know Mercury's going to go in retrograde, while it doesn't, while it doesn't make it definite that these things will occur.
Speaker 4:The tendencies are in there, right, and sometimes knowing is half the battle, right. So knowing that you know 999, for instance, because its spiral was going to be bringing things back around in the week of Septemberember 9th 2025. For people who are aware of that, they had the ability to emotionally and mentally prepare for the if ands and maybes that may come, whereas somebody who's not aware of that gets hit. The same reason, the same science, the same way. Without awareness, it could turn into a why, me and a person becomes overwhelmed by their circumstances, and then they become clients in our clinic or they go and see a psychiatrist, and a psychiatrist solution for any problem is only to suppress symptoms through the use of a placebo pill called medication. Right, and while you know medication can help, it doesn't heal the problem. It suppresses the symptom.
Speaker 4:So this is why holistic right, approaching things from a whole perspective. God has a cure for everything and some people choose, you know, a combination of both, and that, and that again is holistic right, taking things from the whole circle and seeing what works for them in their particular case to improve their situation. Right, because 98% of everything in the cosmos is made up of 98% of everything in the cosmos. Neil deGrasse Tyson is popular for saying that and it's absolutely true, right, so that means that everything that we need we can access right, here and now. Right, it's a matter of perspective and awareness.
Speaker 4:So our goal is to assist in the process and play a small sand grain size role in the process that ultimately happening in the cosmos and time and space right, and people and places and things and events on earth are not an exception to that right, and the social constructions that exist as institutions on our planet today, such as religion, education, medicine, military government, engineer the minds of humanity in a way that's very Earth-centric. Everything's about people on Earth. Even when you think about genesis and the bible and revelation in the bible. It's all about planet earth. What about venus? Is armageddon gonna happen on venus? Does that, does the stuff in revelation apply to people on pluto you?
Speaker 4:see what I'm saying so, so, so. So Sometimes these man made tropes Are the Source Of the mental health problem, because they're an artifice. Right, they're an illusion, they're a part of the matrix. The matrix is basically man created reality, man's interpretation of reality as man evolves. But man's interpretation of reality constantly changes because we're in a constant state of evolution. Right, and the power structures in existence on the planet right now are very reflective of the resistance to natural evolution of things. Right, and just like nowhere else in nature. When things that are of and by nature resist change, they either change with it or they cease to exist. And that is how the power structures that exist, we know, sooner or later won't exist as they do now. Right, so, like Kava was saying, you know, the question is what are we going to build to replace these institutions with, once they're gone, the Age of Apocalypse?
Speaker 4:In astrology, where the raps and RIP rhymes with no apology, really, black arms from Cheeknock killing the fallacy. The chronicles are really gosh. I'm seeing the galaxy, space invaded, strapped with a man. No, low ideology. Roll a copper, shock about operational ontology, half of futuristic on fire. Well, in reality, la vella cootie 70, water, no gang, no enemy, no, damn, no. So you know, in the day hours, you know in our clinic, that's what we're trying to keep in mind. Mind be one of many legs of a table of thinking about what you know. What do we need to build to swap out or replace or usurp the systems that exist? Right, you know we're engaged in war with the county mental health behavioral health services because, you know, the leader of our organization had the audacity to present the mental health behavioral health services, because you know, the leader of our organization had the audacity to present the mental health service report statistics on the discrepancies in treatment for people of color along a racial class and gender line and, as a result, we were able to inherit what's known as the Black Awareness Community Outreach Program back into the nonprofit that started it, where it was usurped by the county in the counties, and how the government absorbs subcultural movements to neutralize them. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Black Lives Matter movement is a recent example of that. Something that started out as a subcultural movement then was funded by a KA, assimilated into the mainstream power structure, thereby neutralized Right, and they figured out this formula in the 60s and the 70s and that's largely what COINTELPRO, the counterintelligence program, was about. That's what the infiltrations and implants were so important for. That's what the intelligence gathering was so important for right, to figure out how to neutralize these movements from within and in-extreme capitalistic economic environment where you get no breath of air, you get no piece of shelter, no piece of food or no piece of clothing without the king's coin for trade. Right, it dehumanizes everybody at the base level, regardless of race, class, gender or religion, and then from that dehumanized base level, everybody continues to operate and then, as a result, without thinking about it, we all corroborate with this dehumanized system where everything is valued except a person's humanity. Everything is put before a person's humanity. So, as a result, everybody is dehumanized, right.
Speaker 4:And then they created the hierarchy you know white on top, black on the bottom and then the mother colors in between, which came from the caste systems in hindustan. Right, them early europeans who came here as colonizers was over there observing in hindustan before they renamed it india. And then they took that white dot, red dot, brown dot, black dot, made it white skin, brown skin, red skin and black skin. There's a real good movie on it called origin. That came out, I think. Uh, ava devon ain't did that, if I'm not mistaken. Right, they encoded it in the us census of the 1700s as Racial Classification Index number 15.
Speaker 4:Right and then in the 17th century, to justify chattel slavery, they created several pseudosciences like phrenology and craniology to try to justify the hierarchy of certain groups over others, superiority and inferiority, which was all fallacious science and not rooted in scientific research. It was rooted in the hermetic hypothesis and the curse of Ham, which comes out of the Babylonian Talmud right. I don't want to go too deep off, but it's all relative and it all is part of the web that has tied together. What we know is reality. What we know is society, civilization and the matrix Right. So Power Cosmic also came from the Marvel series and if anybody's seen the most recent Marvel movie in the theaters, fantastic Four, they are starting to hint to power cosmic and that actual term I first discovered as a Marvel fan, which has a whole background to itself, because Marvel was outlawed in my house.
Speaker 4:My parents were as as as young Christians, part of a cohort in the 80s they were talking about the illuminati and the new world order and somebody said stan lee was a warlock. And when I was seven my moms came home and said all the marvel stuff had to get out the house. So that gave me a taboo and an affinity for marvel, right. And I've discovered power cosmic and silver surfer. Silver surfer was one of the characters I gravitated to because he wasn't on planet earth, right.
Speaker 4:So again, with all that talk in the bible about genesis and revelation and armageddon and the end of the world you know my coping mechanism as a child. You know what I'm saying was to find the sanity. You know what's going on another planet, to other worlds. So silver surfer became the character I gravitated to. In the process, and in the process of gravitating to him and studying and collecting the silver surface series, I discovered power cosmic, right. And in the power cosmic is the power that Surfer cultivates by becoming the liege of Galactus, being the herald of planetary destruction, finding love, unconditional love, in the darkest place, as a Galactus herald in the love and the compassion that he found in humanity.
Speaker 1:Hello, okay, sorry about that.
Speaker 4:Gentlemen, hey Paige man. We don't just have kids, we have grandkids. You know what I mean. It was precious and magical to see your child pop into the screen. She added, she added spice, you know, to the, to the, to the situation. So peace to you, to your seat man.
Speaker 1:Sincerely. Thank you Sincerely. Thank you, man. It's just, it's just, I'll cut this out.
Speaker 4:I'll cut this out. I'll cut this as I edit the podcast episode. But well, you've got to pick it up right where she looks, where she comes in, and you got, you gotta make that the intro, or something that's fresh.
Speaker 3:That's fresh oh my god that's the star.
Speaker 4:That's the star seed cosmically. That's the star seed coming into orbit and making an appearance right yeah, yeah yeah I'm an old five percenter man, you know what I'm saying I became my kim alon 19, 1993 at the alon school in mecca, right?
Speaker 4:so you know, and you know that's also like cod, what comes from the cosmic, that's that also, is the you know, man, woman, child, sun, moon and star, knowledge, wisdom, understanding, right? So that's that's my foundation. Is that universal flag, right? And, and that was one of the initial epices of that whole cosmic thing as well, when you talk about 120 lessons of knowledge and 120, the last uh lessons of that set of lessons is called the solar facts. So the last part of the 120 lessons is the solar facts, which is talking about the distance from the earth to the sun, that's 93 mil, for the instance, off of underdogs, power, cosmic one, the beginning, right, that's what it's talking about. 93 mil is 93 million miles between earth and the sun, right, and?
Speaker 4:And we got that from the solar facts as students to 120 lessons with members of the five percent nation of god knows, right? So you know, that was where also, one of the many influences of the culmination of like the whole cosmic influences, of the culmination of like the whole cosmic emphasis and theme, right? So rob rob was saying while we was in a segment, you know my high ass would get the run of my mouth and shit. Man, we want to make sure that, like we're addressing the questions that you brought to the interview and again thank you for your time, man, you know it's uh we scientists, you know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying listen, you already answered like half of them already yo so, but um man, yeah, okay. So listen, I um you know what I do with like for an album like this. I want to play some just maybe 30 or 45 seconds of a few tracks Word, just for the internet, so they can like understand this. Try and get just a little snippet of the album and then make them go to Bandcamp and support the album you make them go to band camp support the album.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. So because I feel like I'm like I'm listening to this album over and I'm like yo, man, like why haven't I asked them to be guests so I can talk about this album? Yet I'm like no, so that's when I sent you the instagram message, I was like yo, I gotta ask, man, all you can say is yes or no. That's it, you know yes, sir yes, sir.
Speaker 4:So you know, like in the, in the hip-hop world, um, as a, I'm a I'm a fan first, and I'm a student, like I do what I do as a student, like you, you know what I mean. Um, I think like, for example, black thoughts, probably one of the best niggas to do this, right? Um, he doesn't unanimously hold that light, but to people who matter, he holds that light, right, right, um, that's how I feel. You know what I mean? Um, not likening myself to Black Thought. What I mean is I like to just create great art for the sake of making art, and I'm really excited when somebody finds it out of natural and organic means and authentic means. That's why there's so little marketing and advertising and propaganda driving the art.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying? What? When? When we think about gil scott herring, right? Or we think about the last poets, or dorothy ashby, you know. You know we're record collectors, right, we're all vinyl collectors. So we think about alex coltrane. You know what I mean finding m MF Doom on vinyl. Like, mf Doom is modern, but like, or Pharoah Sanders or Sun Ra, right, like some of that stuff was made 50, 60 years ago and look at how it's being appreciated now, right. So I'm comfortable in the space when I know that that future Exists and people Will be looking to 2020 Because of it's time point in Human history and like we Do in the 70's and the black out power.
Speaker 4:Era and how we found what's that group, the Lamans. That was the black panther parties Group, that's how you know. We kind of found them because of our, of our affinity.
Speaker 4:For the black panther party. So that made the lamans as a group extra special to hear that shit. You know what I'm saying. You know, gil scott, revolution won't be televised right, superfly, curtis, mayfield and all of that shit like it was. You know, they might have appreciated it then, but they didn't appreciate it then in the present the way that we appreciate it now. Right so that's why in french organ we say it's not a blast from the past, but a sutra from the future.
Speaker 4:Right, you see what I'm saying yeah that's, it's not a blast from the past, it's a solution from the future. You see what I'm saying, because we also are projecting and thinking forward. That's why our collective we call it black future. Right, the future is unknown, aka it doesn't exist. So that means that the future becomes, scientifically and mathematically and cosmically speaking, 50% what you envision, 50% what you envision, 50% what you don't envision, aka the Unknown.
Speaker 3:I'll never be the same again. A revelation, a transformation, a thought so clear and bright, a thought that brought the light a thought that brought the light revelation.
Speaker 4:So do yourself a favor and only envision what you desire being that the reticular activating system, according to fools like joda spencer and them, turns thoughts into things Right. So this is one of the phenomena of the Aquarian Age cosmic where, historically, over the course of my life, I've heard that spirituality and science conflict. By the Aquarian Age 2025, equaling nine, spirituality and science are converging Because, in these relative ways, the cosmos is converging and, for instance, people also recognize this phenomenon through how unreliable a clock is and a calendar is, and an hour is and a minute is Particularly measured by your children and their growth from childhood to adulthood, because the Gregorian calendar is not cosmically calculated. It's an artifice. It was a way to capture the minds of humanity and place it and confine it within a capsule called time, according to a calendar and a clock. So then, what effect does that concept of time have? Again back to on one's mental health.
Speaker 4:Psychiatrists are now looking at the effects and the correlation between how the average concept of time negatively impacts people's mental health. Ultimately right, because this past, present and future thing on a straight line. It creates a certain level of anxiety about being too late. Well, compared to what, compared to who, compared to where, and they're finding, as a psychiatric community, that this is often at root in report of a lot of clients that they serve in terms of what caused their anxiety or were stages in the development of depression, post-traumatic stress disorder, and these are all socially engineered phenomena, phenomenon.
Speaker 4:So even now a psychiatrist, for instance, there's a good one on YouTube. She's a black woman, her name is Dr Tracy Marks, as a reference point for anybody that that magnetizes to, and she's breaking down a lot of this and incorporating a lot of the whole 360 degrees holistic ways to look at these what mental health calls symptoms, but what we call experiences of feelings in life, and it's all really the same things you know. As a as a mental health counselor, I want to warn people in labeling what they feel are their challenges and spend more time focusing on labeling what they feel their strengths are, because they're there. They're there. We're just coerced into focusing on what seems to be lacking or what we seem to be limited by, and that's a social coercion. So don't fall for it, humanity. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3:Thank you very much. Thank you very much, thank you very much.
Speaker 4:Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Black like a battle at the back. Black, Atlanta, black. Crack a blam Hammer. Clap a crack a trash Hammer, hack, attack, scrap the plans up Back to black and stand. Compact the fans Back to bed up stiff in the trooper stance. Back to Atlanta. Black a black we call the trooper stand, when every day it seem the people like me on the trooper stand Rattata, crack a lack. I'm blowin' up your jack. Atlanta, Norman, I'm backin' Actors. Body number 27,. He on the 27th and it's the third down Evil runner out a digit in the dirt clown. Finish the first round and win your first crown.
Speaker 4:Take it from knowledge to born and fix the earth. Now Cause you a log on symbolic to the sun, the true and living sun man. I don't have future run True and visionary planetary system on Earth to planetary spaceship we be drifting on. Don't spit no simple rhyme, don't flip no simple song. 713, the frequency. And top of it, we on it's Resurrection Colts, mixed with the vitriol Cosmonaut report, write for me Analytical, it's metaphysical, it's metacritical, it's megalithical. It's megalithical, it's monolithic. Y'all you know there's no two you, you are a unique signature and mark in the cosmos. So be you and you know that is how things will fall into their natural order for anybody. And that's a common denominator and it's equal, and that's how we know it's Maatian and we can trust it. And it's mathematically. And that's how we know it's ma'atian and we can trust it. And it's mathematically and philosophically correct because it's consistent. Again, rip all praise due to the great ancestor. I am hotel what up?
Speaker 3:what up, nigga?
Speaker 4:god damn, it's a lot of motherfuckers out there, nigga, don't be using God's name in vain. What that's. Shut up, yo man. You believe in God? Man, look, do I believe in God? Yeah, I guess I do. How else can you have the sun, the moon, the stars and shit like that? Sun, moon, stars, quasars, motherfuckers sound like they're woodchips, even with planet Mars. And retro, the lyrical stiletto, la hepatro. A millennium of wet flow. Rat flows from the New York island to the west coast. Flat flow to Calico. The island out to Drasko, rattles running round the city in a sad flow, all white, carina Jews, I'm on layoff, I'm laughing slow. Heavens know them. Devils ain't permitted in the festival.
Speaker 4:They better know the Outro Music. We'll be right back this ghetto. We we come from using walkmans and an old house speaker in the hatchback rabbit rolling through the heights bumping two short, freaky tails. We'll see how to get a rig some man. This hip-hop don't stop zulu can't stop us, man, exactly.
Speaker 1:Zulu can't stop us, man. Exactly, we keep it moving, man. You know, listen after listening to. I listened to both. I actually came in on your Manifesto album, right? So that's when I came in, started tapping into you and then I listened to Power Cosmic 1 or Power Cosmic, and then listening to Power Cosmic 2. What's the and this is for you, rod what's the biggest shift from the?
Speaker 2:sounds that you use from Power.
Speaker 3:Cosmic to.
Speaker 2:Power Cosmic 2? He's listening, sampling myself that type of thing, you know what I mean. Just that's the biggest thing I hear, and it just taking my playing something and sampling it and trying to texturize it, you know, cause that's what we've looked for in samples rhythm and texture. That's pretty much. You know. Just growth as a musician period too, you know, just knowing what I'm aiming for, you know, just like a like a vibration inside me just saying go this way, go that way, go this way, depending on the artists that I'm working with too, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, will you um cause when I'm listening to like your your previous works, like you got albums on uh Apple music right now, man, I know you work with other people.
Speaker 2:You know what.
Speaker 1:I'm saying, like you work with a group of um different, different group of people Like uh who, who's? Who's this guy? Uh blazeo yeah yeah, blazeal, and then um another individual ebar is the bar. Yeah, you heard that so you know, I hey listen, I'll be tapping into to, I'll be paying attention to what you're doing, man.
Speaker 2:So I'll be tapping into to.
Speaker 1:I'll be paying attention to what you're doing, man, so I don't know. I appreciate it, man, thank you. Were there any particular like um challenges when y'all were putting this album together? Power cosmic 2 were there any challenges that you all had to overcome, whether it be, you know, sending vocals back and forth or working in the studio?
Speaker 2:We work in the studio together. The creation is all when we together I may make a beat or something that's like, I'm like yo, I like that beat. You know what I'm saying. It might be something like that, but for the most part, we in the lab, creating it from the metaphysical and making it physical, know through sound waves. You know our energy, so you know, just like I said, he, when he's in there with me, it inspires me to go raw, dirty hard. You know what I'm saying. Because, right, right, I mean the beat's gotta keep up with the rhymes. True, right, the rhymes is ooh. So you know it's not a challenge, though it's all pretty much fun though.
Speaker 1:With the you and Lot. Clearly y'all have chemistry, right? So y'all been working on albums and music for over almost 30 years now, right? So you know, how do you, how do you balance your, your two unique styles to come together when building albums like these?
Speaker 4:So let me give a little juicy insight. So let me give a little juicy insight. When we call, when we're in the lab, the lab becomes the Millennium Falcon 7-1 tray.
Speaker 2:We all cyclones and you know Cylons and all that kind of stuff. Mandalorian music, Mandalorian, you know, we just go into that.
Speaker 4:What people don't know leave Earth is that there's two versions of Power Cosmic 1 to some degree, but definitely Power Cosmic 2. So what outsiders are not in observation of not to any fault of anyone's own is that typically? Definitely with Power Cosmic too? But typically the beat Rod gives me and I write to is not the beat we publish as the song. So maybe 55 to 60% of the album are the evolution of the beat.
Speaker 4:After Rod has given me the base photon, right, it's like atoms, protons, neutrons and electrons. I get the atom, I get the base proton, and then from that I add electricity, a charge, a spark to it, and then when it connects back with nice, he then adds electricity to it and it transforms into something else. So a lot of them songs, what up, though? Um, uh, uh, oh, my god, this create like him, so many of them.
Speaker 4:It was a whole different song when we began in terms of the beat, the track, and then when I come and lay the lyrics to it, enough of the time I'll come back and I'll be like are we listening back? And it'll be a whole different beat and I'll be like you know, that has become part of the process, right, and that's what makes it millennium falcon music, like he's one side of the cockpit. I'm one side of the cockpit, that's his department, so it's my job to meditate on the formation of the words that fit and then bring that back and the rest is on him. You know what I'm saying. If I have interlude ideas or a theme, you know richard pratt, let's use this richard prior as the end, like the, I just bring that, that's, that's the, that's the, the utterance, the, the utteral and the literal side.
Speaker 2:I bring that to him as data and then he sonically treats it and and that's the outcome that's why I was saying the the beats got to keep up with the rhymes, because I'll give him a beat and then he'll just murder it and I'm like, hold up, man, I gotta, I gotta do a different beat to that rhyme. I mean, because it's so hard, I I gotta keep up with the rhymes.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying and I always tell him dog, the beat inspired the rhyme. Yeah, you know, every time it doesn't, I'm like the dog. I wrote that rhyme to that beat. Yeah, I mean so. So, while I hear you and I appreciate that and that means everything coming from you, you know what I'm saying. That beat drafted, that line Called you to do that. None of that process is the world privy to right, because that's what makes us in the Millennium Falcon, flying through the sun, moon and star and cosmos, right, exploring, seeking the unknown right. We know what's here on Earth, we know the problems on Earth. We already know that. We heard all the sad already. We heard all the sad that we heard all the violent stories that humanity could sing. We don't that. That's that's. That's not stimulating, it's redundant, it's expired mm-hmm right, so, so, like what?
Speaker 4:all due respect as an MC and as a student of the culture when I hear rich sonic material that is not being stimulated by like, so, like soil, the beats like soil. Now, the soil is rich. This is this, this Ninja getting rich soil right and the seeds got need to be like don't put GMO seeds in rich soil, right. And I'm talking about beats and rhymes. You know what I mean. Don't put gmo seeds in in in rich soil because the crop yields as it's planted true, yeah.
Speaker 1:So let me ask you something, man. Um, and because because I just came to my head like I'm going to just weave some of the tracks in and out as we're talking, but if a new listener is pressing play on this album for the first time, which they will be, which track do you recommend? And which track do you recommend Rod?
Speaker 4:I'll let Rod go first, probably.
Speaker 2:What Up though, what Up though, what Up though.
Speaker 4:Man I'm thinking about, like I'm trying to think about, like I like hard stuff. I like that's just hard to me. When I hear that question, I try to think about as many people as I can let come to mind Right, Um, I think, uh, Polish radio. I would say Polish radio when I'm asked that question. Like I don't really ponder on that. I'm an artist. We're just entering the Stargate to create the follow-up project to two for now.
Speaker 4:We'll see you next time. Well, not Power Cosmic 3, but the next body of music that we're going to publish. So I don't ponder on that a lot. I'm always like we're in creation mode now For us. We're in new creation, we're scheduling new creation mode. Now for us. We're like we're in new create, we're scheduling new creation mode for a whole new project. So I I stay kind of like in that present space so saying I don't ponder on that. But because you're asking me that question, when I attempt to think about as many people as I can, I probably stay focused.
Speaker 1:Radio I got you yeah, um, rbg, we gotta talk about rbg word. State Focus Radio Gotcha yeah, rbg, we got to talk about RBG Word. Because when I'm listening to, I hear you, because I pay attention to the words, man, so I'm listening to you literally break down at first you going into what do you say red, red, black, green, but then you go into all the. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:The definition of the art of being a G.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like talk to me about, like, why you wrote those words to that beat, because that beat was hard too, so so I'm you know that's a case in point.
Speaker 4:Excellent question at this segue in the conversation, because that is one of those songs that started as a whole nother beat yeah. So I have to say then, the mood of the original beat is what brought that out Right? The mood of the original Sonics called that forth, uttered that forth Right, literally. Also, the percussion, the hi-hat and the snare that Rod had clapping in the beat brought PSK School ED to mind, right, which also was what inspired Ice-T's Six in the Morning. Right and them is both my favorite songs by both of them artists. You know what I'm saying. Shout out to Schoolie D the Pioneer, shout out to Ice-T the Pioneer. You know what I'm saying. So it was a combination of both those things. When I was hearing the beat, I was hearing TSK Right, um, um.
Speaker 4:I joined the Universal Negro Improvement Association, that's Marcus Garvey's organization. There was a small fragment chapter in South Central California when I lived in LA for a period of time when I was a teenager, teenager and it was one of the organizations or neutral spaces that you could be in as a teen in LA at that time, where gang-banging was turning from colors into neighborhoods and blocks, which made gang activity and interactions way more common, right? So I moved to LA when it wasn't just it wasn't as simple as red or blue. I learned that there, like, okay, it ain't as simple when it was just red or blue, you might live in a city where everybody red or live in a city where everybody blue up north, but down here, boy, they done abandoned that Like we about what street you off of? What block you off of, block you off of and it became way more active, you know. So I used to attend these meetings because my father was connected to all these organizations and my dad trying to get me an outlet from the fact that I moved into his neighborhood when I was 17 and I wasn't from 706 and my family was from 11-8 and I was going through all the shit that a nigga who ain't from that neighborhood was going through. So my dad was trying to find every opportunity to get me out of the neighborhood and it would be going to these meetings with him. And that was where I started learning about the teachers of Marcus Garvey. And Marcus Garvey created the red, black and green flag. So for me, at 17 years old, that became one of the alternative flags that I learned to identify with other than the gray flag that my cousins from my neighborhood in 118th street identified with right. And you know, from going to the UNIA, meeting with my pops and becoming a member my dad was a member of me becoming a member. Rest in peace, pops.
Speaker 4:We went to the African marketplace that they used to hold out at Dorsey High School in South Central, and that's where I bought my first Quran. You know what I'm saying, and this is before I joined the 5% Nation officially. Know what I'm saying and this is before I joined the five percent nation officially. And um, you know, I came from a christian home. So you know I had heard about god and earth through the bible and genesis and revelation. But when I bought the quran and was given instructions on how to make salat or prayer in islam as one of the five pillars, um, the opening in the prayer, one side was in English and one side was in Arabic, and it said praise be to Allah, lord of all the worlds. And you know, coming from the background that I came from, I hadn't thought about the Lord who was the Lord of all the worlds. I had just thought about who was the Lord of this world, right, based on the bible, was talking about everything that was earthly on earth, you know the oceans, the mountains, the skies, talking about planet earth. And I found comfort in just even being reminded to think that there's a lord of the world, aka the universe, aka the cosmos.
Speaker 4:And, uh, you know, not too long after I joined the five percent nation and I got my solar facts and then I took astronomy in college, um, by you know, um, because what my major was. And then I started looking at these cosmic images, you know, and I'm saying nebulas and quasars and black holes and and deep outer space. And it just kind of came to me again the verse in the quran. It said praise be to allah, lord of all the worlds. And I started, you know, thinking about man. Know, we just think about earth. It reminded me you know what I mean. Like we just think about earth. But look at all this majestic stuff. You know we're looking for the phenomenon of God and the earth. But look at God's phenomenon. God is his nebula. I mean look how the eyes is almost unbelievable to my eyes when I'm beholding right.
Speaker 4:And I found comfort in that, from all of the religion and the race and the class and the. You know politics and I found comfort in that. You know gang banging and being poor and you know, with the things I saw people who were poor trying to do to not be poor. You know I lost my first loved one, my god brother, rest in peace. Carlton riley, not even a mile from where we sitting right now in the lab. You know what I'm saying to a cat who's martina we all knew and ultimately was around, you know, and when I was, you know I was 16, he was 15. You know, and, um, like that made me hate gangbanging early. It didn't make me hate street life, but it it made me hate gangbanging it because it made it up front. And you know we all either knew each other or were aware of or familiar with each other.
Speaker 4:Sacramento small, you know what I mean. When we was kids, our parents all went to black family day at gr Griffith Park and like, if you wasn't from the south side, you was from the north side. You met people from the south side. We all knew each other and that was always confusing and hurtful to me. That you know. I really had to admit that I knew this person some way. Somehow our parents knew each other and I still feel that way about my people in this town. You know what I'm saying. Our parents knew each other somehow and we out here, you know damn, they're ready to kill each other.
Speaker 4:So because I left Sacramento at an early age and became an outsider in the places I was from, I always had to prove myself. I always had to gain acceptance and in the times and areas that we was growing up in, that usually included crime and violence Sacramento is the sacrament. So for me from Sacramento it was different where, because when I came back here when I was 24, sacramento was like it was a sacrament for me. It was a refuge. I didn't have that history here, I hadn't committed crimes here, I hadn't been arrested here, I hadn't really gotten into too much violence here you know what I'm saying and I had become the single parent of my son. So those circumstances all combined at the time just made me kind of look at life a little more seriously.
Speaker 4:You know, when I was in LA, before I really started thinking about being a dad, I was still being like hotheaded.
Speaker 4:And when my two and three year old son was sitting in the backseat of my car, some nigga put a 45 in my face and like my son's witness to that, at two and three years old, and I remember saying to myself in the moment, like in the moment when the gun was in my face and the moment when the nigga was like man, I'll kill your ass if them two little niggas wasn't there right now and I, and like I had, that was like that was a real like corner turner point in my life. I was like man, like I will be dead. My sons would never have gotten over this shit and I mean it probably, you know, scarred them, even though they didn't see me get killed. Seeing that happen, right, like how does that affect them as 30 and 29 year old men, whether they realize it or not? Right back to the mental health shit, right. So you know the things that that happen and you live and you learn. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Um inspired all that right inspired.
Speaker 3:All that right.
Speaker 4:Like it is good spot, man, man, look at the gravitational pull of the Cosmo, as his son called right, who we were saying like. I remember sitting with him when he was like nine years old and we was playing Tekken on a Nintendo. You know what I'm saying. He's a 34 year old man now.
Speaker 4:Right, like time, you know, is perspective Right and perspective is everything right, and we hope that people taking a cosmic perspective, you know, by just taking a ride with us through the music, you know we hope everybody just have fun and and and and think outside the box, um, you know, recognize the, the, the unlimitation. You know that is reality and how we're only limited in our thoughts and in our perspectives. And you know, um, give yourself, cut yourself some slack on that, because you know it's largely been um engineered into us by. You know the systems that exist, you know, in our society and culture. But we don, right, and to be free is to not know fear and to know fear is to not be free. So you know nature makes it simple like that, so it don't have to be confusing. You know, uh, courage is not found until fear is faced. Right and don't come before it. You know what I'm saying and you know, like fear is more intimate than people are, are encouraged to make it. Like fear is what everyone feels they're, they're limited by, or what they feel they're lacking or what they're worried about. Right, fear has an acronym it's false evidence that appears to be written, right, because fear is usually based in what, the what ifs, what if, this, what if that. You know, fear is very rarely based in what is. You know what I'm saying. We identify what is as we. Either we accept it or reject it, right, we we flow with it or resist it, but it's, it's the what if, the unknown, again, that the false evidence, the what if, the false evidence that appears to be real, right, the future doesn't exist yet. The future is easier to contemplate on in the past, because what is in the past has happened, right, it's not happening now. It happened then. You know, that's the key thing about that, because we're talking about time travel. It's real in the mind, right? So that's why we have to. You know, the key is how do we revisit the past without getting stuck there? Because thought is time travel, thought is time travel. You know, the mind is collective.
Speaker 4:The brains are unique to each person, analogous to a smartphone and the World Wide Web, right. So the mind would be like the World Wide Web and the brains would be like the worldwide web. And the brains would be like the cell phone or the laptop and the devices, aka the brain has access to the web, aka the mind. So you know. This is why the Honorable Elijah Muhammad peace be upon him taught that there is no original thought in the theology of time, right, thought just is. It's a realm that we access through the brain. There is no original thought in the theology of time, right, thought just is no-transcript, you know. So, you know, wisdom without instruction leads to folly. And the World Wide Web is exactly what it is it's worldwide, it's a web and it has everything in it reliable data, false data.
Speaker 4:There's a guy online. His name is seven bomar. Shout out to seven bomar. He created a ai platform known as civil, if anybody wants to check that out. It's his aim at making a metaphysical component to what was known as chat, gbt, um, but within an attempt to take a more organic and, uh, natural based approach to interacting with the artificial intelligence.
Speaker 4:You know, because as we see this thing that we've tagged and labeled as artificial intelligence grow, we see human and natural intelligence declining through the advancement of technology. We don't remember telephone numbers anymore, uh, we don't know how to travel across the map without gps anymore. Yeah, you know what would happen if there were no satellites. You know how? Would you know, at some point in 10 years, 15 years, how will people get from city to city without that? Right? Because they don't even read the highway signs? Hardly it's. You know, it's all on the map, on the dashboard, right?
Speaker 4:So the more that the artificial intelligence, aka technology, grows, it appears that there's a correlation in the decline of natural intelligence. Now, that's not unanimous, right, that's just typically right, whereas there's, you know, those amongst the human population that are too evolving with natural intelligence, right? So you know time will tell you know that's a Bob Marley quote and a good documentary about him. If you're interested in that guy, I'll pray to that great ancestor. You should check out. It's called Tom Hotel and you know he was right about that.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying, like time, what we call time, but we label and tag is time it always um reveals.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying, um. So just you know, stay tuned in your own life. You know what I'm saying. Mind your cosmic business, because it's karmic to cosmically snoop. You know what I mean? And that's just basically putting the energy on any other cipher, any other person, place or thing that we're supposed to be placing on ourselves. You know, like our travels here as humans are for our growth and development, our learning experiences are for our knowledge, wisdom and understanding, we are tricked and distracted into putting that energy outside of ourselves and onto everything and everyone but ourselves, right? So you know I, you know to to advocate for humanity.
Speaker 4:I feel like that is a matrix kind of algorithm and I remember being in a world where the average adult as a young person would tell you to not be concerned if everybody liked you, or don't be concerned about being popular or everyone's friend, right, and you know, think twice about your actions and when you're with the crowd and giving in to peer pressure.
Speaker 4:And I feel like the message in society through the social algorithm has become an inverse of that, where now the passion and the drive is about likes and about visibility and people, whether they're aware of it or not, are compromising and altering who they are or what they do, driven by the, the coercion, aka need to be viewed and liked, and that Brother Seven Bomar, who's a computer genius, in my personal opinion, was the one who pointed out through his computer science analysis report that by 2025, and with the development of AI, it's somewhat identifiable that about 50% of the data that is in the World Wide Web as of 2025 is false or unreliable data, because the World Wide Web has been a information inputting at an unregulated state for so long, pretty much since its inception.
Speaker 4:Then there was in in Google and in search engines, there wasn't a, a fact checker for information that was being inputted.
Speaker 4:So now, at this point in time and space, right as we call it, it's a 50-50 chance that what you find in the worldwide web will be reliable or unreliable, and that has altered the consciousness of humanity and redirected our focus to we use what's reliable information based on the views and the likes that it has received, and it has been a form of social coercion in engineering that has occurred on the masses of the population that people, not to any fault of their own, may not really be aware of, and I'm trying to identify it, along with my human family, as a point that we might want to identify where our anxieties and our depressions and our traumas and our fears and our and these issues that we have come from, you know, have we come to a state where there's an over-reliance and an over interaction in the cyber realm in comparison to how we're interacting in the physical realm? And, you know, over time, you know, are the effects on our mind, body and soul balancing and leveling out in terms of their pros and cons, or their positives and negatives?
Speaker 1:man, I feel, I feel like I feel like I'm in a university. I feel like I'm in a university right now and I'm just in awe. I'm like yo, like this is, this is information that I don't think the internet's, I don't think they're gonna be ready for this conversation, but it's probably right on time. You know, I'm saying like man, okay, okay, listen, because I only got, I only got a few minutes left before I got, but, um, I just wanted to. I wanted to throw some things out to you, man, man, let me just say this real quick Internet's underdogs, power Cosmic 2, cosmic Continuum, man. So, if you don't know what a Power Cosmic is, go to your Googles, look it up. I don't know if it's going to be factual or not, but 19 tracks, 31-minute project, man, they released this in late, uh, 2024 that's. It seems like there's a two-year gap in between the manifesto to power cosmic, to uh, to power cosmic too, man. I don't know if that's intentional or not, but not really no, not really the dope thing about
Speaker 4:it is when we look up. We didn't intend to do most of it, the beat changes. Just we didn't and we don't. We go with the flow I got you and try to be like water, like the great Bruce Lee tried to advise us to do.
Speaker 1:You know, just just go with the flow and be like water, you know man, because, like, I'll look at your uh, I look at your ig man and you, you push, like the way that you have been like I was ready for this album in 2023, like you was pushing this album, it's 2023. So I kept it like yo, we ready, I'm ready, we ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready. So all of 2024, I'm like yo, where's yo, when's it coming? When's it coming? Boom it dropped.
Speaker 4:So an example of how it's not intentional. Rest in peace to Rod's grandmother and rest in peace to the great Warren Bell, his father-in-law. We had two ancestors pass within the time that we were constructing the project, which naturally you know what I'm saying came into the wave of the time in the production of the project right time in the production of the project, right. Had those two great stars not transitioned to the Orion Nebula in that timeframe, it probably would have come out at a different time, but it came out at its appointed time, right. In cosmology there's the law of cause and effect, the law of sequence, which says there are no coincidences. You know, know, everything is tied together by cause and effect. One event is a natural result of the previous event. The law of cause and effect, that's the law of sequence as universal law, right. So learning how to trust that process a long time ago as independent artists and just you know, you know meeting expected and unexpected obstacles and then at the end being able to live with what we created, makes it all make sense in the end, where you begin to learn to just trust the process and not resist in whatever expected or unexpected kind of like things happen. It just becomes part of the process. That's part of the underdog formula, like that's just all you know, analogous to underdog stuff.
Speaker 4:You know, and I'm saying going against the grain, the odds, like might not be the most favorite, but but is like the people. So you know I'm saying it's every day. You know if you're over people's team, you know what I'm saying, it's everyday. If you're overworked and underpaid, you're an underdog. You know what I mean. If you feel like you can't really be yourself because you feel unsafe in the world, you're an underdog. You know what I mean. If you ever feel like you've been treated unjustly or you don't get a fair shake, you are underdog. You know what I'm saying. So, like underdog, music is for everybody and anybody, but particularly for those like who feel in any way you know what I'm saying that they like underdogging in their life. Right, that is. Charcoal spun at high and terrific speeds turns into diamonds. It's pressure that creates diamonds, scientifically speaking and actually right. So you know that's what it's about you know, that's what it's about man.
Speaker 1:Okay, yo, that's a few questions, man, because I know y'all got things to do. What, what? Yo, that's a few questions, man, because I know y'all got things to do.
Speaker 3:Word word.
Speaker 1:I got a list of just lightning round questions. This is something new. I'm starting on the podcast man, so I'm going to throw out some questions. Just give me a quick answer which one you want. I got something for you, underdog, and I got something for you, ron Word. All right, so let's go with underdog and I got some for you, right, all right, all right, so let's go. Let's go with uh, let's go with underdog first. Man, let me ask you this question vinyl, cassette, cd or digital which one is your favorite format right now?
Speaker 4:vinyl. I'm biased. I've always been a crate digger. We started out we saw you I'm 50, 51 years old, you know what I mean. Like we started out. We saw yeah, I'm 50, 51 years old, you know what I mean. Like we started out as vinyl. So I'm. You know I'm a sound nerd, so you know we sound nerds, man, like we know analog and contrast to digital, right, the frequency of a digital baseline is in the perimeter, whereas an analog frequency. The frequency of a digital baseline is in the perimeter, whereas an analog frequency it's central. So the way that translates is you feel analog baselines differently than you feel.
Speaker 1:digital baselines you can tell in the music too, Right.
Speaker 4:So vinyl, I say, is my, is my, is my. I'm biased to that.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm biased to that too. You know we've been that's been growing up. Late night studio session or early morning studio session, early morning?
Speaker 4:Because I'm big on circadian rhythm and sleep is important. That's just important to note as a universal side note. Dick Gregory said the number one cause of death in America is sleep deprivation, which definitely correlates over into all mental health symptoms. Because that's kind of been a revisiting topic and an important one in this conversation so I really tried to. If I do anything religiously, it's sleep and in meaning in the timeframe, like I really try to stick to that for all purposes.
Speaker 1:You got a cosmic power right. You got flight time travel or telepathy telepathy. Which one are you? Which one are you picking? Flight time travel or telepathy time travel?
Speaker 4:why time travel? Because I can travel. Why time travel? Because I can, technically speaking. You're talking to me, um? In time travel we exist in all the parallel dimensions. So I probably could fly or use telekinesis in other planes of existence in my parallel selves. So if I can time travel, I can do all of those because the parallels are infinite. That's what multiverse is about, right, like the parallels are infinite. We saw that in the second miles morales. All of them spider-mans. It was infinite spider-mans. You know what I'm saying? So like I'm gonna be able to access that telekinesis or that flight somewhere in there if I could travel the time. I could access anything if I could travel the time.
Speaker 1:Word up If you had to just give me one word to describe Power Cosmic 2. Super, I like that. I like that. I like that. I agree with that. Man, um, man right let's go lightning round for you, my guy uh hardware or software hardware mmm shop samples or play it live Both.
Speaker 4:Because, he's broadshitting both of them. Man, he's the master of both dog, Not those music man, both man. He's just as ill at both man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Straight up man, moms was telling me about how you be playing samples and then chopping this man. Yeah, man, okay. Um, who's on your mount rushmore of producers?
Speaker 2:oh man thanks for asking that question. That's a great one yeah uh, let's go with the menzel brothers. You know who the menzel brothers is no, but I'm a researcher though uh, just just think of the blackbirds. Donald byrd, um uh, marvin gaye, they, donald Byrd, marvin Gaye, they produced for a lot of. But check the Menzel brothers out.
Speaker 1:Did they produce for Motown? Like a lot of Motown acts.
Speaker 2:I don't think they produced a lot for Motown. That was the Hudlings yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 4:Yeah huddlings yeah okay, yeah, huddling, doji huddling with Lamar Dozier.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was crazy. He's crazy too. So, and then, uh, of course I'm going with Dylan. You know I'm going with Dylan. And then I'm like to go with, uh, uh, bootsy Collins, for the funk of it. You know, I didn't realize he was doing as much as he was doing with Parliament, even though George Clinton was writing those lyrics and they had a vibration. But Boots, he was doing a whole lot for Parliament, funkadelic. You know. Like I said, of course that's Jay Dilla, so I get one more. I mean, there's so many great producers but I get one more. So I always go back to the source of things. So I'm going to have to say Junie Morrison. I like Junie Morrison. If you listen to the Ohio Players' first album, when he was on Westbound Records, junie Morrison was phenomenal man, you know. So check him out. Okay, got you All right.
Speaker 4:I just got to just love Pete Rock in there real fast, I could say.
Speaker 2:Marley Ball pete rock dj premiere. You know, I could say, um, uh, larry, larry, uh, larry, smith pohudini, I could. I could say you run this. I could say all of them really spoke to my. My soul was four like the Menzel brothers. I really love their production. You know Junie Morrison, I loved his production. You know what I'm saying. I love Dilla, of course you know what I'm saying. So I mean long live J Dilla man. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:You in the Millennium Falcon, right? You in the lab?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we are currently sitting in the millennium.
Speaker 1:Falcon, we are currently corresponding call for your tea, tea, tea, tea. What's, what's the? Uh, I've been seeing those. I've been seeing those.
Speaker 4:I gotta try that man it's a decent comparative alternative for caffeine Any level of caffeine you want to be mindful of but from a natural source such as green tea or mate. It's a little less invasive than coffee, especially like Starbucks and corporate stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, what's an underrated piece of gear every producer should own. Hmm, Underrated.
Speaker 2:What kind of production are we talking about? All around Hip-hop, r&b, funk, jazz, reggae. What?
Speaker 1:type of production are we talking about? I gotta be specific. Let's just say let's keep it jazz or hip-hop.
Speaker 2:The use of pedals, guitar pedals like console, and you know um, space, echo, all these type of pedals give your samples, your old samples and your samples that you sample from records or wherever you get the source from. It's texture and that's. I'm big on texture, I try to be anyway. So I look for texture. Not only do I look for rhythmic stuff, but I look for texture too, so that you know, that's where I would have to say, maybe, that, uh, they got a little box called the consoles. It's pretty nice, it's pretty nice, so okay, and that that gives you textures, effects and all that.
Speaker 1:It's pretty nice, pretty nice um, and this is one I'm just throwing in there when you coming out with another sample pack. Yeah, it's been a few years, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was just kind of thinking the market is oversaturated with it and I wasn't really planning on working with one, but I still get like people, you know, personal people uh, several packs when they ask me. I'll just make them one, you know, and it'd be their own exclusive one. So what I do is, uh, if I do decide to do one, of course you know the world to have it, but I'll make you. I'll make you one for yourself that you can.
Speaker 4:Hey, hey, hey for the listeners in the audience. Anybody interested in uh you know, discussing um certain currencies for sample pass from bad notes music? You can holler at bad notes music at IG as the handle. Yes, sir mean. What he's saying is that he will customize your sample pack. You heard?
Speaker 1:And you want them, trust me, you want them, man. Yo Listen, gentlemen, I really appreciate y'all man taking the time to chop it up with me. Man, and I am going to definitely like I got to blast this out, man. I don't know what I was thinking, I don't know why it took me this long to get at y'all about this album, but I'm glad we did, because Power Cosmic 2, like for me, when I'm listening to this album, your voice is so low and I don't know if that's intentional, but I literally shut everything else out and I have to pay attention to what you're saying. For me, I get more out of doing that than just putting on an album and then just going about my day. I have to be intentional about listening to these albums that y'all put out, man, right on. You know, like I got, I just gotta clap it up for y'all, man, thank y'all for putting this out. That's great in the age we.
Speaker 2:You just want to hear, you just want to get off real quick. That's this age, you know. But that is so.
Speaker 1:We're so grateful that you took the time to listen so we're so grateful that you took the time to listen, you know yeah, I'm real grateful.
Speaker 4:listening is an underrated skill man, you know. I want I want to thank you for for what you said and, um, when I was, uh, 11 years old, turning 12, um, I heard rakim say and I ain't no joke he said I'll take you for a walk through hell, freeze your dome, watch your eyeballs swell, guide you out of triple stage darkness. When it gets dark again, then I'ma spark this microphone because the heat is on. You'll see smoke in the furnace when the beat is gone. I'm no joke. I was a little kid hearing that and it changed me, it made me, it took me beyond my religious limitations, my earthly limitations, and it took my thought outside of the box, right. So you know like I, hip-hop don't stop man, it's a frequency. You know what I'm saying and that frequency led to this frequency and I thank you very much for um. Yeah, you know, you're saying that you listen right, because it was me listening like. So it's the frequency and hip-hop is the frequency and that's what.
Speaker 2:hip-hop don't stop me, right word up yeah, right on golden mind, yeah man so okay last, last question where can people connect with you on your socials?
Speaker 1:do that? Your emails, your link trees, all that type of stuff?
Speaker 2:Bob knows calm, I'm getting ready to do some updating to the site, so, look, be a be aware for that. And then, uh, bob knows music IG.
Speaker 4:I try to keep it simple and streamlining. So I'm at ig, um, underdog music 713 is the handle there and at youtube, um more present in ig and um. You know, I just try to balance it to just um keep doing bringing what I bring. You know what I mean. That's part of it. It's just kind of staying, staying otherworldly, you know what I'm saying, staying out of space, staying in power, cosmic. So the album is at bandcamp, it's also had valid music, hq, um.
Speaker 1:But you know, we we pretty much streamlined everything through ig, just, you know, for simplicity and just it's not hard to locate right that just gave me an idea, because I might have to make, I might have to burn this, like I got to get a tape recorder, but I might have to put this to cassette.
Speaker 4:Man, like I, I might have to put this out to cassette just for my own personal collection, you know man we talk about pressing on vinyl and and like that, every album, and we usually intend to do it, and then just life happens, and then we're on to another project and you know we've had the dimensions for cds for every record that we've made. Um, we looked at pressing the beginning, um, power, cosmic, the first one, and it just you know. So it's not an impossibility, you know, maybe we'll um you know like yeah yeah, make, maybe make it.
Speaker 4:Make it like a a limited edition availability on cassette and vinyl. You know what I'm saying? Um word, yeah, yeah, thank you. Thank you for that. That that more encourages us to. You know what I'm saying? No doubt we trying to up our AI video game now. So, you know, we trying to make the visual side more interesting, to just keep with the times in that way. You know what I mean. Do what's common in our own uncommon way. You know what I mean? Shut up and give the times while staying. Who?
Speaker 1:we are yes sir, you know, yes, sir I got you who y'all got in this, uh, this boxing match tonight.
Speaker 2:Man, I'm gonna go with crawford tonight bud.
Speaker 1:I can't bet against bud I'm undecided.
Speaker 4:Tom will tell like it always do you know I, I like I'm.
Speaker 4:I will say we was talking, I think, while we took a break. I am a little I'm a sociologist. I over-observe, if anything, never under or at all right. So I'm a little leery about the digital Don King we know as Netflix, as a body promoter. You know what I mean. You know I don't know. In the post, mike tyson fight haven't grown up on our mic. I talked about even the album, everything right, like uh, I, yeah, I don't know how I like to.
Speaker 1:You know hope, time will tap, time will tell right like it always does, you think, is he thinking something sketchy happening?
Speaker 4:I don't I'm not gonna like that would be a speculation that I don't have evidence to claim. So yeah, I try to be careful with that type of stuff. Um, but it just like to my, to my, to my muscle testing. You know what I'm saying. Shout out to dr b series. You know what I'm saying. He'd be telling us about muscle testing reality and it just don't feel quite right to the muscles. That that's the best way I could put it. You know like, yeah, time will tell you know what I'm saying. It's all good man, time will tell you know. Like what's the phrase To the best win and go to spoils. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean it should be a good one, man, for the matchup people. I think this is a good matchup. I don't know, you know, Buzz going up two weight classes.
Speaker 2:We'll see what happens. That's the thing that weighs heavy on my mind. That's the only thing that can make him lose is he put on all that weight and get tired.
Speaker 4:Y'all got money on anybody. No, I ain't putting no money on anybody.
Speaker 1:I ain't putting no money, it's too unpretentious.
Speaker 3:Don't bet on.
Speaker 1:Netflix Boxing World, like if it was one of them. Paul brothers, I'll put it on Paul because I know they're going to make him.
Speaker 2:Right, right, they don't even let you bet like that, no more.
Speaker 3:That's one box that you can bet on World. Jake Paul, you know how that fight's gonna go right. But yeah, man, I appreciate y'all. Man, likewise brother. Thank you for the time and acknowledgement. What the fuck? Not what to think, not what to think about, not what thought should do or not do, but we are still asking what is thinking itself?
Speaker 1:All right, ladies and gentlemen, so this concludes the show. I want to send a big thank you to La from Underdog Music man, la Underdog Music for coming through and sharing the story behind the dog power cosmic 2, cosmic, 10 year old. Make sure y'all go stream that. Actually, no, first support that and then stream it and share it on bandcamp man, so the link is going to be in the description. Make sure you follow wow uh on his instagram. Follow his journey, tap into the cosmic energy he's creating. It's all so empowering as well. Man. Links are going to be in the description of the show. But then also a big shout out to Rod Nice and Bad Notes Music for breaking down his role in helping create the Underdogs Power, cosmic 2, cosmic Continuum. You know it's always inspiring to hear how producers bring their vision into the collaborative project.
Speaker 1:So go support his work as well, follow Back Notes Music on IG as well and, of course, stream the album man. Support the album. Stream the album. The link will be in the description of the show. You know what I'm saying. This is a dope, dope album, man. It's timeless, it's empowering man, so get to it. You know what I'm saying. As always, this is the Rec Show Podcast. Thank y'all for listening. Until next time. Y'all know the saying start with the record, recognize the beats and we'll cut you on another one. Man. Big peace and love. Count blessings, not problems. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:Peace and love y'all. Bye-bye At the bus stop At a grocery store.
Speaker 3:At the bus stop.
